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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:03 pm    Post subject: Choosing the correct oil .. Reply with quote

lots of opinions and lots of ideas about this topic .. most seem to be "I have used Brand XYZ for 25 years with no problems and it's all I ever use, so it must be the right stuff' ..

that may not the best way to chose oil, so here is some info I came across on another board that seems to have some concise actual analysis and study behind it ..

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The list below are oils that appear to contain >= 1200 Parts Per Million (PPM) ZDDP (Zinc Dialkyl-Dithio-Phosphate or "zink") for flat-tappet cams. Note that guidance varies, but 1200 PPM is considered an absolute minimum. Higher spring pressures and more extreme cams may require 1400 PPM or more. At the bottom of the list are oils made specifically for flat-tappet break-in with far higher concentrations.

No warrantly expressed or implied, do your own research, use at your own risk and don't run with scissors. My point here is that I'm not an expert - this is just a starting point for you to research.

Amsoil AMO
Grades: 10W40
Claim: "It is ideal for high-mileage vehicles, vehicles with flat-tappet cams and high-stress vehicles subject to hot temperatures, heavy hauling, trailer pulling or off-road use."

Brad Penn
Grades: 10W30,10W40,20W50
Claim: "...increased concentration of “zinc” (zinc dialkyldithiophosphate a.k.a. ZDDP) provides outstanding anti-wear/anti-scuffing protection for engines employing either ‘flat tappet’ or roller cams."
Verification: "The Penn-Grade 1® oils “typical” 1,500 ppm Zinc (Zn) and 1340-1400 ppm Phosphorus (P) content"

Castrol Syntec 20W-50
Grades: 20W50
Claim: "Engineered to increase wear protection for classic cars with flat tappet camshafts"
Verification: Email from Castrol 12/9/09: Current Syntec 20W-50 (for classic cars) is actually a modern premium quality API SM product that has been Zinc boosted to Zinc levels that are reminiscent of levels from historic API categories such as SG when flat tappet cams with high spring loads were common in the fleet. For reference, note that the API SM category has the most rigorous passenger car engine oil (PCO) test performance requirements in the history of the API PCO categories. The level of Zinc in the new Syntec 20W-50 is a minimum of 1200 ppm, which will provide excellent anti-wear protection for the cam and lifters in a flat-tappet cam engine.

Joe Gibbs Hot Rod Oil
Grades: 10W30, 15W50
Claim: Higher levels of Zinc (ZDP) than regular passenger car oils. Delivers proper anti-wear protection for older style push-rod and flat-tappet engines.
Verification: 1270 PPM ZDDP http://www.joegibbsracingoil.com/Dat...2010-22-07.doc

Mobile 1 15W-50
Grades: 15W50
Claim: "Mobil 1 15W-50 is also recommended for older valve train designs that may benefit from a higher level of anti-wear normally not required for newer generation vehicles."
Verification: 1200 PPM ZDDP http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/...duct_Guide.pdf

Royal Purple RP
Grades: 10W40, 15W40, 20W50
Claim: "For stock or mildly modified flat tappet valve trains (<.525” lift), we recommend our SAE 10W40, 15W40 or 20W50 engine oils."

Royal Purple XPR
Grades:0W10, 5W20, 5W30, 10W40, 20W50
Claim: "In applications with flat tappet valve trains using high-lift cams and/or high RPM applications, we strongly recommend upgrading to our XPR line of engine oils as these have an even greater concentration of ZDDP providing excellent protection with the higher spring pressures."

Shell Rotella T Multigrade
Grades: 15W40, 10W30
Claim: None stated on web
Verification: Shell Technical email 12/9/09: "Rotella T does meet both API CJ-4 and API SM requirements and still has ~ 1200 ppm ZDDP . The reduction in ZDDP requirement is not an API specification, but an ILSAC GF 4 requirement."

Valvoline VR1
Grades: 20W50, 10W30
Claim: "High zinc/phosphorus provides extreme wear protection, including flat tappet applications."
Verification: 1300 - 1400 PPM ZDDP http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/VR-1_Racing_Motor_Oil.pdf

Valvoline Roush Full Synthetic
Grades: 5W30, 5W50, 10W30, 10W40
Claim: "Provide longer lasting zinc/phosphorus anti-wear."

Valvoline Racing Synthetic
Grades: 20W50, 10W30
Claim: "High zinc/phosphorus for extreme anti-wear, including flat tappets."

Engine Break-In Oils
Brad Penn Break-in Oil
CompCams Break-in Oil
Joe Gibbs Break-in Oil
Royal Purple Break-In Oil


with many of our Tri Five Chevys running flat tappet cams and lifters, the oil you chose does make a difference ..

if you really want to go deep into oil discussion, www.Bobistheoilguy.com is the place ..
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

more on flat tappet engines and their need of zinc, along with a promo for Joe Gibbs Oil ..

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/attachments/c1-and-c2-corvettes/47649578d1268865784-list-of-flat-tappet-oils-joe-gibbs-oil.pdf
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coming to an oil near you soon!

Motor Oil Standards Set To Change in 2011
API SN/GF-5 Press Release
Contact: Lake Speed, Jr (704) 239-4401

API approves GF-5, SN to go into effect in 2010. GM Announces dexos 1 global engine oil specification for 2011 model year vehicles.

API SN – ILSAC GF-5 licensed oil will hit the shelves in October of 2010, and this new oil specification places greater emphasis on protecting catalytic converters than previous oil standards. While this is good news for emissions, improved catalytic converter life has proven to be detrimental to flat-tappet camshaft life.

Both the new API SN and GM dexos oil standards will require the use of a new type of “Phosphorus Retention” ZDP. ZDP or Zinc, as it is known, provides protection for engine components by creating a phosphate film. The creation of this phosphate film also results in a reduction of performance in Three Way Catalytic Converters. The new “Phosphorus Retention” ZDP is less reactive, so it is less detrimental to catalytic converter performance. It is unknown how this new “Phosphorus Retention” ZDP will perform in flat-tappet and high performance engines.

Another change associated with API SN/ILSAC GF-5 oils will be greater fuel economy performance. This improvement in fuel economy will be achieved by increased use of polymers called Viscosity Modifiers. These polymers help a “thin” oil act “thicker” under low stress conditions. While the liberal use of polymers helps improve fuel economy in modern passenger car engines, older style push-rod and race engines produce greater shear stresses that can “tear” these polymers. When these polymers are sheared, oil losses viscosity, and that can lead to increased wear.

More than ever before, hot rodders, engine builders, and racers need to be aware that API rated products are “compromised” due to Passenger Car OEM requirements for improved catalytic converter life, fuel economy, and engine cleanliness.

To achieve these goals, oil marketers must reduce the Phosphorus, Sulfur and Zinc levels in their oils, and they must use more polymers and aggressive detergents. While these changes are good for modern low rpm, overhead cam engines, older push rod engines and high RPM race engines need lubricants with higher levels of Phosphorus, Sulfur and Zinc as well as lower levels of polymers and detergents.

Fortunately, Engine Builders, Racers and Hot Rodders have Joe Gibbs Driven oils available to them for Engine Break-In, Racing and Hot Rodding, so you don’t need to worry. Joe Gibbs Driven oils use the “old school” ZDP for outstanding flat-tappet camshaft protection. Joe Gibbs Racing uses the Joe Gibbs Driven oils for break-in and racing our flat-tappet engines, and our engines see over 9,000 RPM, make over 850 hp and have to run more than 600 miles per race weekend. Joe Gibbs Driven Racing Oils have protected our engines for the last 10 years, and we’ve won 5 NASCAR championships during that time using these oils.

These oils cost a little more per quart than premium passenger car and diesel oils, but they provide greater value and protection. The small investment in the right oil for your flat-tappet cam will same you big money in the long run.
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... what this means is again for all of us that have flat tappet engines, stock or high performance, you need to pay special attention to what oil you are using. You will increase the wear on your cam and increase the chances of it going flat .. today's oils are not old car friendly .. lots of choices and ways of getting that ZDDP level up either by purchasing the correct oil or adding additives .. do your research!

more info

http://www.joegibbsdriven.com/trainingcenter/tech/newoiloldcar.html
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